Sarah Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse

News Type: Event — Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:18 PM EDT

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The big news, obviously, in the blogosphere today is John McCain's surprise pick for the Republican veep nominee--a relative unknown by the name of Sarah Palin, whom--at least in the more conventional political circles--would appear to be a complete cypher.

Unfortunately, if one digs just a bit deeper, Palin is found to have some very interesting--and very disturbing--connections...among them, being potentially the first Assemblies-linked VP candidate, being a member of a "pro-life" group promoting itself as a feminist org, and having a number of links to dominionist groups targeting kids via "bait and switch" evangelism. . . . Sarah Palin's connections that McCain doesn't want you to know about

There are quite a number of extremely troubling links between Sarah Palin and neopentecostal dominionists--enough that, in truth, she may be ultimately as much of a "dream candidate" for the dominionist movement as Mike Huckabee was. Even worse, she's running in a manner that has been frighteningly successful for dominionist groups since the early 80's--specifically, as a "stealth candidate".

Palin's Assemblies linkage

The first link in and of itself is a doozy--and one of the most damning indeed. No less than the official newsletter of the Assemblies of God of Alaska promotes her proudly as one of the denomination's own, and she was actually feted at an official function of the Assemblies' Alaska District as recently as this year:

The opening night banquet of the 2008 Alaska District Council was honored to have Governor Sarah Palin address the delegates and guests. Governor Palin spoke of her appreciation for the Assemblies of God and requested that the Council pray for both her and the State of Alaska. Superintendent Ted Boatsman, who was Palin's junior high pastor at Wasilla Assembly of God, along with Pastor Mike Rose of Juneau Christian Center, where Palin presently attends church when in Juneau, laid hands on the Governor and led the Council in prayer.

Palin, who was elected Governor in 2007, is Alaska's youngest governor and the first female governor of the state. She just recently gave birth to her fifth child, Trig. Palin spoke of the faith challenge she faced when learning that Trig would be a Downs Syndrome child. However, she and her husband, Todd, believe that every child is a gift of God, deserving of life, and that God was asking them to accept His will for their lives. The Alaska District Council believes that the State of Alaska is blessed to have a woman of faith and courage as Governor.

A look at the home website of Palin's church tends to be revealing. Among other things, a particular Assemblies buzzword associated frequently with Hillsong A/G and New Zealand Assemblies churches shows up ("Destiny", here, is a buzzword for "Joel's Army", and is being preferred even as the phrase "Joel's Army" is getting enough negative spin that even the Assemblies is now having to do some rather massive spin control); cell churches are promoted (of the same sort that are linked to short-term and longterm psychological damage and are among the most coercive tactics ever documented in spiritually abusive groups). The church, like a number of other large Assemblies churches, is the center of a dominionist broadcast TV center whose programming is carried across multiple channels in Alaska.

In a trend that has been recently documented by no less than Southern Poverty Law Center (in its recent report on the Joel's Army movement), the church operates a Seven Project-esque targeted recruitment campaign aiming at teens (this is common across the Assemblies and across "Joel's Army" groups in general; fully a third of the documented national-level front groups operated by the Assemblies target teens).

And...believe you me, Palin's church is *definitely* "Joel's Army".

Mike Rose, pastor of Juneau Christian Center (Palin's church), is noted to be connected with the "Third Wave Movement"--a movement in neopente dominionist circles that is the major theological home of "Joel's Army". In fact, he's quite closely connected with Rodney Howard-Browne, a major (in fact, for some years, *the* major promoter) of "Third Wave" neopente dominionism, and actively promotes this insanity in his church:

1. Mike Rose

Mike is an AOG pastor in the largest city in Alaska, who had Rodney Howard-Browne minister in his church four years ago. At that time, they had a congregation of 200, but over the last 4 years, they have seen it grow to 600 in a community of 35,000.

The format that Mike uses is one which gives a balanced approach to church life, allowing for worship and the Word, ministry to the unsaved as well as impartation of the Holy Spirit.

To do this, he has followed a fairly traditional Sunday morning worship service with worship, communion and preaching of the Word, as well as all the other activities which occur in our morning services, such as dedications and so on.

If there are two or three people who are perhaps crying or laughing uncontrollably, the ushers will gently lead them into the prayer room where they can continue to enjoy the presence of Jesus without affecting those around them.

However, he is also open to the possible occasions when the Holy Spirit will just sweep over the service and the majority of the people will be either laughing, crying or worshipping at one time.

His Sunday evening service generally lasts for three to four hours, compared to the morning one of around two hours. At the conclusion of the evening evangelistic endeavour, people are invited to open up their hearts and hunger for a fresh touch of the Spirit. It was during these times that the powerful manifestations will take place and, having observed what has been happening in our Adelaide meetings over the last few weeks, these times have a great similarity to the old time Pentecostal camp meeting or tarrying services where people received a fresh touch of God.

Mike encourages his people to hunger and has taught them along that line. He helped them to understand and develop a new sensitivity to the ways of the Holy Spirit. His observations were:

* You cannot sustain a move of the Spirit without hunger.

* Corrections need to be made from time to time.

* Don't just get fascinated by the move of God, but rather keep your eyes on Jesus.

* Mission giving and outreach evangelism should be a prominent part of this move and the churches which don't reach out soon dry up.

He encourages us not to hype it up and that there needs to be a continual emphasis on holiness and that only qualified people should lay hands on those who have come for prayer.

Mike is also an adviser on Rodney Howard-Browne's Revival Ministries committee, along with three or four other AOG pastors in the USA. He informed me that he had sat in over 110 of Rodney's meetings and been impressed by the lack of pressure and hype, but by the powerful anointing of the Spirit which accompanies this young man.

As to *why* Howard-Browne's involvement is distressing--well, this previous article should give some pointers, but suffice it to say that another notable church he's had close connections with is the very church I am a walkaway from--hence how I know some of this up close and personal.

Some of the fun includes literal imprecatory prayers and curses against critics and literally accusing critics even within pentecostal circles of literal blasphemy against the Holy Spirit:

Rodney Howard-Browne gave this 'prophesy' last year at New Life Center: 'Do not compromise. For if you compromise, you shall not only lose the anointing that I placed upon you, you shall lose your life.'" [T.A. McMahon, "Experience-Driven Spirituality," The Berean Call, May 1995, page 4] . . .
"I'm telling your right now," [Rodney Howard-Browne] hissed, "you'll drop dead if you prohibit what God is doing!" Dramatically he gestured toward the crowd [at Melodyland Christian Center, Anaheim, CA, 1/17/95] and warned them
that those like me, who would dare to question that what he was doing was of God, had committed the unpardonable sin and would not be forgiven in this world or the next." [Hank Hanegraaf, "Counterfeit Revival" (1997), page 22]

Bad news...but it doesn't stop there.

Palin's links to "Feminists" For Life, a deceptive anti-abortion group

As if the Assemblies links weren't enough (and between this diary and the stuff that has been reported re John Ashcroft--much less George W. Bush's consistent support for Assemblies frontgroups--that should be a pretty big damn danger sign right there!), there's still more to indicate Sarah Palin may have been put in as a "stealth dominionist".

Among other things, Palin explicitly promoted "teach the controversy" by calling for the misnamed "creation science" to be taught in public schools (as now well documented in Kitzmiller vs. Dover School District, it's known that "creation science" is nothing more and nothing less than a method of putting young-earth creationism in public schools).

It also appears that Sarah Palin is a member of a misnamed group called Feminists for Life. FFL in fact engages in "cultural appropriation" of women's suffrage icons to promote a very woman-unfriendly agenda that--despite attempts to sound "not like those crazies in Operation Rescue"--would not only criminalise abortion but the IUD and hormonal birth control methods, and potentially everything outside the rhythm method (the term "abortifacient birth control" is a codephrase in the dominionist "pro-life" community for hormonal birth control--partly due to a unique urban legend claiming "the pill" and other hormonal birth control causes abortion and partly because of a unique definition of pregnancy beginning at conception rather than at implantation (the latter is what most mainstream OB/GYNs use) and thus making *anything* preventing implantation potentially "abortifacient").

FFL promotes such fun bogosities as "post-abortion syndrome" (the idea that having an abortion will inevitably lead to PTSD and insanity), and promotes mandatory waiting periods and misinformation guidelines that can be insurmountable for poor or rural women--even those forced to make the most heartbreaking choice because of a nonviable pregnancy. In fact, one of their biggest causes isn't feminist at all--they actively promote the idea that the best choice for women is to stay home as fulltime mothers, and it can be well argued that the only traditionally feminist viewpoint they really support is women's suffrage!

One of the big things FFL promotes is deceptive "pregnancy counseling centers"--where pregnant teens are forced to essentially listen to an altar call on how "abortionists want to murder their children" whilst a pee-stick test clears--and if she tests "yes", she gets a hard-sell to keep the child or to check herself into a dominionist-run "halfway house for teenage moms" where she will ultimately be forced to sign her kid over. (Yes, there is an entire private adoption industry in the dominionist community--mostly focusing on adopting out the infants of poor teenage mothers who have been forced to give their kids up and who have been either scared into it or checked into such facilities by their parents.)

Ironically, FFL itself is rather a "stealth" organisation in and of itself--yes, even the dominionists admit this. Interestingly, despite their claims of being more "moderate" than most anti-abortion groups, very few real solutions are offered on how they intend to fund such things (which can be boiled down to "CHOOSE TO BREED").

Palin's links with Campus Crusade frontgroups

Palin's linkages don't stop there. In Kaylene Johnson's book Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska's Political Establishment Upside Down (2008, Epicenter Press) it's mentioned that Palin was head of the local Fellowship of Christian Athletes branch in her school--up to and including leading team prayers.

It is helpful to know a bit of FCA's past history to know why this is a matter of concern. FCA is, in fact, a known frontgroup of the coercive dominionist group Campus Crusade for Christ--yes, the selfsame Campus Crusade that has such close links to the Assemblies of God that it can be described as a "conjoined twin" of the Assemblies and the same one documented as having links to an ever-widening prosyletisation scandal in our Armed Forces. FCA also gets quite a lot of cash from de facto Assemblies funding-front Hobby Lobby--a chain, of note, that has bailed out a neopente university and has even funded paramilitary "Joel's Army" groups targeting teens.

The links between FCA and a particular Hobby Lobby frontgroup, Bearing Fruit Communications, are particularly close. At least one member of Bearing Fruit's board of directors (T. Ray Grandstaff) is a former Senior VP for Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

Regarding FCA itself, the group has been linked to dominionism in numerous ways; they are well known for "bait and switch" evangelism (in fact, they and Athletes in Action are among the two groups most frequently banned from public school campuses due to bait-and-switch "altar calls" marketed as anti-drug talks to the school administration). More info here. (Such tactics are a favourite of dominionist groups explicitly targeting youth.) It's also well known (and, apparently, explicitly by design) that Fellowship of Christian Athletes rather aggressively "dominionist-ises" any team they are let into (this tends to be bad even within the NFL, but even more so within FCA groups run in colleges and high schools).

Of particular note, FCA has close links with the US Air Force Academy religious coercion controversies (and is but one of *multiple* Campus Crusade frontgroups documented by Military Religious Freedom Foundation as involved in military religious coercion scandals), and the ACLU has had to fight them since the 60's because of religious coercion (in particular, Jewish people tend to be targeted, according to the anti-cult group Rick Ross Foundation); in addition, it is explicitly supported by dominionist groups, and explicitly partners with other dominionist groups targeting youth (including Chi Alpha (an Assemblies of God frontgroup), Campus Crusade for Christ, and even scarier groups like "See You At The Pole" (infamous for, among other things, nailing people's names to crosses and "praying" over them to essentially curse people in the name of Christ to convert or suffer) and Council for National Policy).

And finally, the dominionists themselves like her

As expected, many if not most of the dominionist groups in the US have given explicit approval for Palin on her anti-abortion bona-fides alone--including Concerned Women for America, Focus on the Family, and a pack of the more extreme dominionist anti-abortion groups.

I'm not the only one to have noticed the rather extensive dominionist bona-fides--Pastor Dan over on Street Prophets has noted this as well. Frederick Clarkson over on Talk to Action has also noted salutations from two other dominionist leaders--one being Kenneth Blackwell, who was the "dream candidate" of neopente dominionists in his home state (fortunately, he lost the gubernatorial election).

Chip Berlet has also noted on Talk to Action a further endorsement from Eagle Forum--the oldest dominionist political group aside from "The Family" and the Assemblies-linked FGBMFI.

In addition, it would seem she may well have quite a bit of approval from dominionists in general--that is, if the barometer of the Texas GOP Convention is to be believed. (The Texas GOP is one of the most thoroughly steeplejacked GOP conventions in the US; many of the official party platforms are indistinguishable from Constitution Party platforms.) The Houston Chronicle reports:

"It's a slam dunk. I think that people who are concerned about 'How conservative is Mr. McCain' are now going to say, 'If he can make a choice of Sarah Palin, then he can be trusted with our conservative ideals,' " said delegate Cathie Adams, Republican National Committeewoman-elect and president of the Texas Eagle Forum.
. . .
"I always thought he needed to pick a woman," said Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, former president of the Texas Federation of Republican Women. "I think Hillary Clinton's campaign stimulated a lot of interest among women voters, and I think this is going to hit a chord."

But Kaufman added: "I look forward to learning more about her." She also noted that Palin is considered to be against abortion rights, and McCain "thought he needed to satisfy that wing of the party."

Here's hoping this article starts shining a little bit of light on the subject--the last thing we need a literal heartbeat away from the Presidency is a ninja dominionist.

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jade-log

("Destiny", here, is a buzzword for "Joel's Army", and is being preferred even as the phrase "Joel's Army" is getting enough negative spin that even the Assemblies is now having to do some rather massive spin control); cell churches are promoted (of the same sort that are linked to short-term and longterm psychological damage and are among the most coercive tactics ever documented in spiritually abusive groups). The church, like a number of other large Assemblies churches, is the center of a dominionist broadcast TV center whose programming is carried across multiple channels in Alaska."

Domionists are hot for Armeggedon. I would be really frightened if she got any where near the nuclear button. These folks are scary.

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9 votes

#1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:58 PM EDT

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Dolores M. Bernal

jade-log and others --

I know exactly what Pentecostalism is and also about the Assemblies of God. Palin is definitely a staunch evangelical that will follow her Pentecostal beliefs to the end. This would make her a problem as vice-president because she along with crazy McCain will have easy access to the red button. The combination of a fundamentalist evangelical and a psychologically damaged war hero does not look good.

Indeed, if these two get into office, do expect:

-War with Iran
-The end of civil liberties
-The end of abortion rights
-The beginning of Big Brother
-And, yes, perhaps even Armageddon.

This IS disturbing news, that is why now more than ever we need to get Obama elected or we will end up putting two nut cases in the White House.

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7 votes

#1.1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:42 PM EDT

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jade-log

I thought this information was important. It really gives me the creeps. People are joking about her but this has not registered yet. I read #3 below 44 in Korean is "sa sa" It's a bad luck number because it also sounds like "sah" which means death.

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7 votes

#1.2 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:51 PM EDT

{"commentId":2750502,"authorDomain":"blgm"}

notofthisworld-492945

I have come to the conclusion that the people that are so quick to debate back and forth are not only the ones that fuel the media but are the very ones trying to satisfy a personal desire of approval... whether in what we believe in or merely to gain popularity. Despite who we are or what we believe, the bible says God places a desire in each of our hearts to live a life surrendered to Christ. Sadly, the bible also teaches that many will choose to ignore Him. My prayers as a believer is that God lay a heavy conviction on each heart of the unsaved and instead of running from it - listen to it.

Death is more universal than life. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. There is coming a day when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11) On that day all wrongs will be made right and all weariness will be replaced with rest.

God bless our country, our leaders. our families, and each other.

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1 vote

#1.3 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:23 AM EDT

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Aalaf Alot

I am reading Hot, Flat, and Crowded by Thomas L. Friedman. In the book, he talks about conservative traditional form of Islam practice by predominately Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc. It is often called Desert Islam or better known as Wahhabism. It a very conservative reformist form of Islam often conflict with other form of Islam. Wahhabism ultra right conservatives according to Friedman are using the oil money to make it the dominant form of Islam throughout the Islam World. Let say, they fund schools, fund terrorist groups, funding the civil war in Iraq, etc with all the oil money. The schools teaches and trying to teach this form Islam in Europe and soon the US too. With the excess money, they buy any type of Liberal media, entities, foundations, schools, business, etc and replace them Wahhabism Islam version of religious beliefs.

Now imagine a Christian version of Wahhabism minus for now Terrorism and violence. We will call Dominionism using as a image as more mild version Christianity aka Ultra Right wing Evangelicalism. A Documentary your not suppose to watch, Constantine Sword, is about evangelical Christians trying to infiltrate Air Force Academy in Colorado. They preach religious freedom but only interest to covert as many as many people to convert to Evangelical Christians. The movie talks about antisemitism by evangelicals and controversy from Ted Haggard.

Now, look at the Evangelical Christians where the leaders are Dominionist. You might say, they are trying to infiltrate US government to replace it with their own version of government and their own agenda. Let see: Teach Creationism or Intelligent Design as as a Science in Public School. Pseudo Science, twisted version Separation of Church and State. Lots of money going to Conservative right Right Candidates politicians to take control of All 3 branches of government to push Evangelical agenda. Sounds Familiar?

Dominionism is to Conservative Christianity as Wahhabism is to Conservative Islam. Both are radical version of religions. Just remember, Adolf Hitler and Stalin practice a radical belief system to become something horrible. Imagine a Religious version!

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3 votes

#1.4 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:23 PM EDT

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nearing

She sounds like she practices hocus-pocus.

jade-log:

Domionists are hot for Armeggedon. I would be really frightened if she got any where near the nuclear button. These folks are scary.

Agreed!

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6 votes

#2 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:29 PM EDT

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jade-log

They also believe in the Rapture and some churches have racist elements.

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4 votes

#2.1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:32 PM EDT

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Proud American-252641

They also believe in the Rapture and some churches have racist elements.

How is this different from Obamas church? This is an issue now, hypocritical to say the least

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2 votes

#2.2 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:19 PM EDT

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jade-log

I just need a Government free of Religious zealots. What goes on in the candidates church is an issue that should be taken into account.

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6 votes

#2.3 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:12 PM EDT

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nearing

Proud American-252641:

How is this different from Obamas church? This is an issue now, hypocritical to say the least

I don't know that jade-log said it was okay for Obama either.

There are many of us who are not happy with the TWO choices we have been given.

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5 votes

#2.4 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:26 PM EDT

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Proud American-252641

I just think it is such a non-issue.

She is very clear about her convictions, I have not seen her trying to down-play her beliefs.

I think she is a strong and gutsy woman who doesn't seem to buckle under pressure. She isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes in, or to take on even those in her own party, which is a good thing in my view.

Say what you will, you must admit this was a brilliant move on the part of JM's campaign, they completely stole the thunder yesterday. If BO is the man then why all the outrage?

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3 votes

#2.5 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:28 PM EDT

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DamianKD

I think she is a strong and gutsy woman who doesn't seem to buckle under pressure. She isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes in, or to take on even those in her own party, which is a good thing in my view.

You know, I thought the same exact thing about President Bush in 2004. At the time, I thought it was courage, or strength of his convictions. Now I think it looks like foolishness, in specific circumstances. If Palin believes something politically, and it is proven to be false -- or if she is advised to avoid a specific course of action, but her stubbornness prevents her from taking educated and informed advice -- then what may look like a strength to you now, may very well be stupidity.

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2 votes

#2.6 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:09 AM EDT

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Proud American-252641

Possible, but she ran a successful business,(unlike bush who bankrupted everything he touched),she has made many changes in her own state, she knows how to get her hands dirty, she is not afraid of hard work.

She is not a delicate blue blood who has lived a soft and privileged life. She is willing to put the needs of her constituents above her own. She was back at work in her office 3 days after her last child was born!

I think she will be dedicated to making a difference. I think she has good common sense and lets face it she has more in common with the average American than any other politician running now.

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1 vote

#2.7 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:33 PM EDT

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nearing

Proud American-252641:

She was back at work in her office 3 days after her last child was born!

I wouldn't call that something to be proud of. That child needed it's mom more than her job did. For 6 weeks at the very least, especially a child with special needs such as hers.

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2 votes

#2.8 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:44 PM EDT

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goodoldeal

She was back at work in her office 3 days after her last child was born!

I wouldn't call that something to be proud of. That child needed it's mom more than her job did. For 6 weeks at the very least, especially a child with special needs such as hers.

Which is it? Stay at home mom or women's lib? It seems whichever is more supportive of your position at the time.....

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#2.9 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT

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Neron Kesar

It appears I share a number of life experiences with Sarah Palin:

1. We are the same age, 44 years;

2. We were born in the Panhandle of Idaho, separated by only a few miles;

3. We studied Journalism in state universities.

If only destiny were written in the stars . . .

I am eager to watch how this VP choice is received by voters as they get to know her on the campaign trail.

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5 votes

#3 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:41 PM EDT

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Conrad from San Antonio

Ooooohhh boy! And McCain dumped Hagee for htis woman?
Talk about radical right wing religion.
Does she speak in tongues?
Has she been slain in the spirit?
Does she believe the world might end tomorrow and she might be raptured up into heaven, leaving the rest of us here to fend for oursleves?

OOOOOOOOOhhhhh BOY!

wE ARE IN FOR A RIDE NOW!

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4 votes

#4 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:52 AM EDT

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MHammer

i thought I understood Americans, but this vile hatred toward Palin is just laughable. Face it, the mainstream media wanted McCain to pick someone "sensible" so that they could feel comfortable in their attacks. Today as I read these blogs I see that the Liberals/Leftists in this countrya sre scared of her. OMG she believes in God! OMG she believes in the forces he surrounds us with. OMG she dares to go to church in a place that is not anti-American (ala BHO). I can go on and on, but what is the points. The lunatic fringe of our society has set out to destroy us from within, and that my friends is the goal of the radical Leftists and Liberals in this country.

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2 votes

#5 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:17 PM EDT

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Jamille

We don't need religious nuts running the country. Bush, king of the religious nuts, ran the country into the ground.

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5 votes

#5.1 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:52 PM EDT

{"commentId":2673094,"authorDomain":"Conrad37"}

Conrad from San Antonio

MHammer--

So you think we should just lay back and admire Ms. Palin's beauty, ask no questions so she can tell us no lies, and only find out if she has serious flaws after she succeeds John McCain as president?

Scared of her? Well, I must admit I have some questions about things being linked to her that are rather scary. What do you know about "Joel's Army" which I am told her church supports. Google that. She can deny any support for that group and I will be satisfied on that issue.

What do I think about her alleged abuse of power, regarding her fining of a commissioner who would not do her bidding and fire her sister's husband? Abuse of power is a big issue to me, after surviving George W for eight years. Maybe this is just a political vendetta and she is Innocent. Okay, let the investigation play out and we will know.

Yes, she believes in God, but so what!! What kind of god does she believe in, and what might she interpret to be that god's will for her if she is president. I want to know if she is a dominionist (google "dominionism") and tell me you don't care about that issue.

I find your closing statement, that liberals want to destroy this country from within, to be slanderous and troublesome. I tell you, just as Obama told McCain, we Democrats (liberals, if you will) put our country first just as you right wingers do. We love America just as much as you do. And for you to intimate otherwise is a lie.

The Constitution provides all of us with the right to speak freely. It also provides us with the right to be intolerant and abusive, which some of your statementn prove.

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2 votes

#5.2 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:09 PM EDT

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David C. Kanz

It IS NOT a simple belief in God that makes people afraid of her----read the documentation dogemperor has provided in Outing Dominionism and you may be more informed...maybe not.

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2 votes

#5.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:13 PM EDT

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AngryWhiteMan63

Oh I see. So because she's an Assembly of God, she is not fit to run as VP. Hmmm. I gues maybe she should have been Mormom. No wait, that was Romneys problem. But Huckabee is Evangelical, so he can't run either.

I guess the only people capable of running for office are those that are members of churches that preach hatred for the USA.

Yeah, I guess we should all just vote for Obama because Palin worships God. Oh the horror.

Listen to yourselves people.

This IS disturbing news, that is why now more than ever we need to get Obama elected or we will end up putting two nut cases in the White House.

It really gives me the creeps.

She sounds like she practices hocus-pocus.

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2 votes

#6 - Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:59 PM EDT

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DamianKD

I guess the only people capable of running for office are those that are members of churches that preach hatred for the USA.

I think you might've missed the message that Obama's ex-preacher was trying to get across, and instead only listened to the provocative sound bites. He wasn't preaching hatred of America, but hatred of America's actions. Gandhi very wisely said, "Hate the sin, love the sinner".

Yeah, I guess we should all just vote for Obama because Palin worships God. Oh the horror.

There are probably a number of folks here on the Vine who feel that worship of any deity is the pinnacle of idiocy. I am not one of those. What I do think is stupid, however, is forgetting that America was founded for all, and should serve all, not just those with Judeo-Christian religious views, or some offshoot of that. There is also a thing called separation of church and state which is a very good thing.

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1 vote

#6.1 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:15 AM EDT

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AngryWhiteMan63

Well perhaps some people should re-read the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Nothing in Sarah Palins background has suggested that she would ignore the first clause, commonly known as the "Establishment Clause".

However, it would appear that some on this thread tend to ignore the second clause, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Too many people think this means freedom FROM religion, when in fact it means freedom OF religion.

And when a preacher gets up before a congregation and says "God Bless America?, NO, GOD DAMN America!", I call that preaching hate for America. But, your free to call it whatever you want.

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2 votes

#6.2 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:45 AM EDT

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Proud American-252641

There are probably a number of folks here on the Vine who feel that worship of any deity is the pinnacle of idiocy.

Using this logic then why vote for Obama? He has stated his own Christian views, no wait its a sham he's a Muslim, no he's the messiah, no he's the pinnacle of idiocy(using your term) so which is it? It is a NON- issue much the same as for Gov Palin.

a thing called separation of church and state which is a very good thing.

My understanding of this inclusion by Thomas Jefferson was to keep government out of church business not the reverse

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3 votes

#6.3 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:48 PM EDT

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Conrad from San Antonio

The day of "smear fear" is over. Say what you want.

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#6.4 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:13 PM EDT

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fishskicanoe

Its not that she worships God. Its that her church belongs to a fringe group that believes that this country should be run by Biblical, not Constitutional, law. This certainly is a dangerous attempt to undermine the United States of America as created by our Founding Fathers.

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3 votes

#7 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:09 AM EDT

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Proud American-252641

her church belongs to a fringe group that believes that this country should be run by Biblical, not Constitutional, law.

Where is your source for this information?

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1 vote

#7.1 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:42 PM EDT

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Conrad from San Antonio

Google: Joel's Army
Google: Dominioinism
See dogemperor's column at the start of this thread. Sarah Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse.

I grant you the evidence is not solid but the issue is very important. And Sarah Palin must speak to it.

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4 votes

#7.2 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:15 PM EDT

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Proud American-252641

Yeah, I read it, I just thought it sounded like a bunch of propaganda. Out there to "scare" more people about the big bad Christians who want to dominate the world. Who wish to beat you over the head with their Bibles until you agree with everything we say.

The gay people have the homophobic
the minority's have the racists and bigots
the Jewish have the anti Semitics
the Muslims have the infidels

Christians need to have a fancy name for those who are against them.

I grant you the evidence is not solid but the issue is very important. And Sarah Palin must speak to it.

Not solid is an understatement. The issue is only important to those who think that others have no right to their beliefs, and choose to make it an issue.

These are the same outraged people when BO's church was brought into question, now there is an issue. It is tired, lets move on; time to get off the merry go round.

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1 vote

#7.3 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 12:04 AM EDT

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Jarandhel

Christians need to have a fancy name for those who are against them.

Historically, I believe they've used "heretic", "apostate", "heathen", and "pagan" for that purpose.

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4 votes

#7.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:26 PM EDT

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David C. Kanz

The altered state of consciousness which is taught as a requirement in the AOG is a very different and unique thing--(and in some of those circles the "baptism in the holy spirit" is taught as requisite for "Salvation.")

And yes, I think anyone who has really undergone this experience needs to be scrutinized very carefully---disconnecting from your mind, eyes rolling back in your head, uttering pure gibberish, rolling on the floor, convulsing, vomiting, screaming, and believing that "God literally speaks in the first person" through you ("word of knowledge" or "prophetic utterances") is a problem for me ----especially when that person may hold a position of power.

This type of brainwashing would almost certainly preclude me from being able to vote for that person for dog catcher let alone the Vice President's seat. Sorry---that is just a fact....

Sarah Palin also exhibits the characteristics of a fundamentalist: intractable, snap response to questions, dogmatic, rabid in her devotion, bent over in the chair pointing finger, condescending and smug....who drastically overestimates both her mental capabilities and skills---it is called hubris. Fundamentalist. Beware!

I know---I was one. To my shame.

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2 votes

#7.5 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:02 PM EDT

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DSW-470071

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for posting this. Now I am even more convinced and excited to support Sarah Palin for Vice-President!!!

Without this knowledge that she really is a solid evangelical, millions like me would not know her faith background!

I'm definitely fired up about the GOP ticket now!

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2 votes

#8 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:59 PM EDT

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David C. Kanz

Good luck with that....

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1 vote

#8.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:15 PM EDT

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marketex

My criticism of this choice concerns issues well above the level of simple partisan politics.

("Destiny", here, is a buzzword for "Joel's Army", and is being preferred even as the phrase "Joel's Army" is getting enough negative spin that even the Assemblies is now having to do some rather massive spin control); cell churches are promoted (of the same sort that are linked to short-term and long-term psychological damage and are among the most coercive tactics ever documented in spiritually abusive groups). The church, like a number of other large Assemblies churches, is the center of a dominionist broadcast TV center whose programming is carried across multiple channels in Alaska."

Domionists are hot for Armeggedon. I would be really frightened if she got any where near the nuclear button. These folks are scary.
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
Dolores M. Bernal

jade-log and others --

Indeed, if these two get into office, do expect:

-War with Iran
-The end of civil liberties
-The end of abortion rights
-The beginning of Big Brother
-And, yes, perhaps even Armageddon.

This IS disturbing news, that is why now more than ever we need to get Obama elected or we will end up putting two nut cases in the White House.
#1.1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:42 PM EDT

I agree that this is so disturbing as to rise to the level of a threat to national security.....and without having been vetted, as NEITHER of these persons have been, how can the rest of evangelicals actually concur with the concept that such persons should be allowed within heartbeat range of any national security sensitive office.......not just NATIONAL security, but the security of God's Earth is at stake and yet there are those last comments that allow one to believe that although there are serious psychological levels of criticism that appear valid, they are "definitely fired up about the GOP ticket"??.

Without any vetting, (as McCain has NEVER undergone as to his current health status or his actual demeanor as a POW, and which he did NOT allow with respect to Palin, at all, or on ANY basis, as he now admits, though Obama allowed the WORLD an entire week to observe Biden, after vetting......not to even mention Biden's 36 years of high level security clearance and experience with National and International security issues, and service on committees as well as chairmanships that McCain's colleagues have NEVER accorded him in Congress.....,) how can we possibly say that a PTA Mom, Mayor and Governor has that level of Clearance, or can possibly meet standards that require of a person one heartbeat from an office occupied by a septagenarian, while her religious sect yearns for Armageddon??

If the Republicans actually want this level of quality to persist in their choice of candidates for National office, they will continue to decline as a political party, and a one-party system is no fun at all, and a serious threat to the future of mankind as a whole.

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#9 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 12:55 PM EDT

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Jerry-479915

I am so glad I found your web site! I am now convinced more than ever where I will cast my vote. I was unaware that Sarah Palin belonged to an Assembly of God church, I too belong to this fanatical organization that enjoys worship music by Hillsong, believes the bible to be the inspired word of God, loves my neighbor but not his sin, and tries my best to be like Jesus. Also I didn't know that she was President of FCA when in High School, another plus for her. I too belonged to this terrible organization that aspired to make youg atheletes better individuals. I certainly hope you have gathered enough evidence against her that she will be convicted of being a true Christian.

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1 vote

#10 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:04 PM EDT

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John M-491921

Perhaps one day when you are on the street and need a friend or food or are just lonely then maybe you'll choose out of respect to a Christian not to take their help or advice or money or choose not to help yourself to the food they may offer to you, if you need it. Perhaps You will just keep on going! What did a Christian ever do to you? Do you think my post is disrespectful? So be it. Remove it. The world is full of unbelievers. Atheists don't understand Him and never will unless they pray with humility for understanding. Never forget this nation was founded on religious freedom, like it or not. Thomas Jefferson, though not a Catholic to my understanding started 7 catholic churches with his own money. Who is he? Just one of the greatest founders of this nation. You don't care or don't want to hear it? Tough luck, tune it out. You cannot avoid history. Read Matthew 10:14 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet" What makes you think that you will be forced into religion? Jesus said to leave the unbelievers alone after you have communicated His message of salvation. You already have that yourself. You are your own deity. Jesus never asked anyone to kill anybody in His time on earth. I am reminded of the Romans and how they killed the Christians. I fear that time will come again as you and your ilk are the ones spouting about us being "crazy". AOG is not a cult; I have never spoken in tongues and for those whom profess to "know" the Word read the book of acts. Speaking in tongues is an accepted practice and gift from Him. I used to belong to the church but choose not to go; I study with other groups. They do not handle snakes. They do not deny medical care. You only show your complete ignorance in Christianity by speaking on the subject of the AOG church and Cristianity in general. What is the terrible thing that will happen to you should this Great nation, which was founded by Christians, come to be led one day by a woman who believes in God? Is your world going to fall apart? Would you rather have a gang-banger living next door to you or someone that is a believer in Christ (fanatic to you)? Whom would you trust more? Is our world a better place without faithful people? Who is spouting the hatred here? Who is without sin? Let him cast the first stone. You are like the Pharisees; thinking they were perfect without needs; following the law. Do you ever think perhaps if we had more "believers" then we would have a better world and have everything down pat and neat in a box, nitwits! Did that ever occur to you? less crime, more harmony, more peace, fewer wars and happier people living and working together for the good of the community. Sadly you who speak evil or profess to have a fear of "religion" would be far better off if you were a folower of Christ. How is that? Maybe you wouldn't be lonely anymore. Maybe you hate your marriage or you drink too much. A bible study helps people get together and talk about life relative to what God says and what to do. How about we elect someone that says it is your right to protect yourself with your own gun? How about the right to smoke weed? I do! Is it a sin? No, is drinking a sin? Jesus taught us to drink a little wine once in a while because He said is is good for the stomach and many ailments. Whoa, you say! A Christian that smokes and drinks wine? Why yes. If you cannot accept this concept then you will never understand Christ or his meesage. I do not live by the law as you do unknowingly. Christians do no live by the law nor do they follow it. You are the judge of me! Jesus alone says he "did not come to condemn the world, but to save it". Salvation for us is through Grace and grace alone. If you are gay that is your issue. If you rape little kids or women I want you to die, but God is the only one with the right to vengance. God loves us but hates our sin. We tend to know what God hates. I feel sorry for all non-believers. My faith is strong and made stronger by all the hate I see and feel on these webblogs. Truly, there is evil amongst you and in this world; your hatred is evidence of it. Why are you so preoccupied with what others do with their time and condemning what they believe? That is food for thought! Christ alone judges the salvation of his followers. Remember: It is not what we do to ourselves but what we do to others that matters in the end. I cannot earn my right to go to Heaven. Christ alone is the Way. The muslims will kill both believer, the non-believer, gay people, adulterers and so forth. Do not think that you are immune to thier hate. Christ never hated anyone. Now, you are the "haters"

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#11 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:51 AM EDT

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John M-491921

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#12 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:54 AM EDT

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John M-491921

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#13 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:54 AM EDT

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Levanah

"Why are you so preoccupied with what others do with their time and condemning what they believe? That is food for thought! Christ alone judges the salvation of his followers."---This is what I find myself wanting to say to proselytizing "believers" all the time, when I am besieged by them with an uninvited litany of my errors and sins!

There is no problem with how people "spend their time" or of "what they believe" SO LONG AS what they believe doesn't include the belief that I and my beliefs are worthy of hatred, and their time isn't spent trying to turn this country into a theocracy.

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1 vote

#13.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:32 PM EDT

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GreenThumbedIslander

I too came across this rant trying to find out details about who Sarah Palin is. Well, I was very disappointed in the GOP presidential choice and didn't know who I would vote for, but when I found out about Sarah as a VP... that cured my doubts. The choice is crystal clear to me, and me and my family and most of my friends are going to cast our vote for McCain/Palin. After reading the rabid rants in here about Pentecostals, well let me tell you something. I was one of them. I no longer go to a Pentecostal church although I was raised Pentecostal and AOG. However, the only question in my mind is "WILL SHE BE TRUE TO WHAT SHE BELIEVES?" because if she will, I see absolutely nothing to worry about. I'm not into some aspects of the Pentecostal movement, because so many of them are not the real thing, but if she is the real thing, then picking between her and a liberal is a no brainer. I have lived all my life around Pentecostals, and my parents are still very involved in that movement. They're not perfect, but only a rabid dog would describe them as "trigger happy, Armagedon, bloodthirsty nut cases". They are for the most part very sane, caring and loving people who do care about other people's freedoms, while at the same time interested in what is best for this country. Someone said it would be the end of "reproductive rights"... No, it would not, although I would hope it would move our country in the direction of putting an end to "baby slaughtering rights"... Most christians are all in favor of the right to reproduce (or not reproduce, just as long as you don't do it by killing innocent babies when they're inconvenient).

>War with Iran
Hello?... it's Ahmadine-Nutjob that wants a war, not us. Personally I wish we could just leave them to the Israelis. They are way better equipped to take care of themselves than we think. >The end of civil liberties
What are you talking about? Gay rights and that crap? Interesting how civil liberties used to be about skin color, and now all of the sudden it's all about "sexual orientation". The answer is this: No, we're not going to sit and watch liberal scum brainwash our kids with their filth ok? If they can keep their crap to themselves, they're free to do whatever they want behind closed doors, otherwise we don't need them indoctrinating our kids in their schools with their diseased ideas. >The beginning of Big Brother
This is just pure baloney. Big Brother is EXACTLY what Obama and their Socialist freaks want for this country. I grew up in a communist country so I know about Big Brother, and Sarah Palin ain't it.

>And, yes, perhaps even Armageddon
ok this is just totally laughable. If you know anything about Armagedon, (and Pentecostals KNOW THIS), Armagedon is something that will be started by a bunch of nations (most likely Arabs helped by Russians and Chinese) as an attack against Israel. If anybody is planning Armagedon, it's Ahmadinejad and his islamofascists. Them and Obama's friends.

My suggestion is that if you don't like Christians and you don't succeed in getting Obama into office, then you're free to move to Sudan or Saudi Arabia or China or North Korea or some other place where governments approve of your socialist ideologies.

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#14 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT

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Eric Hiett

I am quite surprise at the ignorance of those who spend time making comments and not checking out the facts. The following was stated,

"it's mentioned that Palin was head of the local Fellowship of Christian Athletes branch in her school--up to and including leading team prayers.

It is helpful to know a bit of FCA's past history to know why this is a matter of concern. FCA is, in fact, a known front group of the coercive dominionist group Campus Crusade for Christ--"

Number one, Fellowship of Christian Athletes has no connection with Campus Crusade for Christ whatsoever other than another Christian organization. The group that the author is referring to Athletes in Action is under the umbrella of Campus Crusade for Christ. Both have ministries to athletes both within professional teams and student teams such as high school and college.

Secondly, words such as dominionist and coercive are such extreme words particularly for someone who has never met the leadership or the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ. I would imagine this author has been terrified by this group by word, media and image alone. At first glance many groups and individuals, both politically and religiously would seem coercive and dominionist, but until someone takes the time and energy to meet the people that represent these groups, those images remain.

Also, the author's attempt to include Assembly of God as a link to CCC is far fetched. CCC was founded in 1951 in the halls of Hollywood Presbyterian.

I would attempt to get my facts straight before I would spew out comments that are invalid and sometimes unnecessary.

"Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him."
Proverbs 29:30

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1 vote

#15 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 3:50 PM EDT

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steph-496180

wow. i am involved and have been involved in many of the organizations and beliefs talked about in this article and let me tell you most ALL of the information given is over dramatized to seem bad. everyone has an opinion and a right to participate in an organization that supports their beliefs. See you at the pole that i know of NEVER nailed people's names to a cross and cursed them. that is ridiculous. we just got togheter and prayed ingeneral for the country the soildiers our community our leaders our teachers our friends. what harm did that do? NONE. I think this article is out of control. my last opinion Don't knock something until you try it first.

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1 vote

#16 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:37 PM EDT

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Jarandhel

The original poster has more than tried it first. Dogemperor grew up in the AOG and has a great deal of first-hand experience with Neo-pentecostal dominionism.

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3 votes

#16.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT

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Bill Ramsey-499894

Isn't Obama a professed "SAVED" Christian too? I was on staff with Campus Crusade for Christ for 2 years after college. I'm currently a VP of a construction company. The goal of Campus Crusade is nothing more than to TELL the gospel to eveyone in the world, and they see the campus as a strategic way to reach the world with the message of Christ. That's it. There is no coersion.. no one is beging tortured or threatened. I spent most of my time listening to the struggles of college students and helping them with time management. The ignorance of some here is just crazy... Oh yea I also went on two mission trips where we took clothes and food to orphans and the poor.. gosh what a radical crazy idea.

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1 vote

#17 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:47 PM EDT

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Jarandhel

Campus Crusade's history and connection with Dominionism have been rather extensively documented by the original poster of this article in another blog: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/8/151023/463/84/395531

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3 votes

#17.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:08 PM EDT

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Barbara Van't Hof

As Mayor Sarah Palin was responsible for getting Wasila City administrators fired, and she replaced them with her colleagues from High School. Were these colleagues also members of her church and do they hold the same Dominionist goals that she seems to? Did she fire State Administrators as Governor and replace them with Dominionists? These questions urgently need to be investigated by lawyers who are currently in Alaska investigating Palin's background. PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT!!!

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1 vote

#18 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:30 PM EDT

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goodoldeal

"We don't need religious nuts running the country. Bush, king of the religious nuts, ran the country into the ground."

If I recall correctly, Ronald Reagan was a believer in Jesus and he turned this country around after Huckleberry Hound ran it under his peanut fields and allowed Americans to be held hostage. Funny, they were released the very day Reagan took office. As for Bush driving the US into the ground: Do the names Pelosi, Schumer, Derbin, Reid, Boxer, "Osama Obama" Kennedy ring a bell? It's hard to do anything with a Congress that thinks it's actually the executive branch of the government instead of the legislative... (Speaking of, how many laws has Obama written/co-written? 13? 27? that's right! None.)

Barack or 'Barry' studied the Koran as a kid (his own words from his book). Christian children don't do that as a general rule (I'm being facetious), Muslim children do. Also, what happened to Michelle Obama? She has disappeared since Palin was introduced... I'd hide a loose cannon too.

And as for the 'Dominionist' term that keeps being thrown around here - I never heard the word before this blog - what are you tripping on? The very reason you can get on here and blog away your anger and bitterness toward Christians and Christianity is the very object of your disdain itself. This country has so many freedoms because of Christianity, not the ACLU. Not socialism - Lenin showed us how well that works. But to each his/her own.

As for your freedom of speech, etc. I'm sure my dad would gladly do it again for you.

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1 vote

#19 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:18 PM EDT

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Jarandhel

(Speaking of, how many laws has Obama written/co-written? 13? 27? that's right! None.)

Nice try. Guess again.

Barack or 'Barry' studied the Koran as a kid (his own words from his book). Christian children don't do that as a general rule (I'm being facetious), Muslim children do.

I studied greek and norse myth as a kid, but I was raised Roman Catholic. Sorry but your fear-mongering that Obama is a muslim is not going to be given a free pass on this site.

Also, what happened to Michelle Obama? She has disappeared since Palin was introduced... I'd hide a loose cannon too.

More like the news media has been more interested in Biden than Michelle since he was announced as the running mate. But she's also out campaigning on her husband's behalf.

And as for the 'Dominionist' term that keeps being thrown around here - I never heard the word before this blog - what are you tripping on?

Then I invite you to learn more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/dominionism.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-berlet/what-is-dominionism-palin_b_124037.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dominionism
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm
http://www.theocracywatch.org/dominionism.htm
http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/reconstruct2.html

That's just the first page of the google results. There are 106,990 more results with which you may, as is newsvine's motto, "grow smarter here".

The very reason you can get on here and blog away your anger and bitterness toward Christians and Christianity is the very object of your disdain itself.

Umm... no. We can get on here and blog about our anger and bitterness towards the Dominionist sects within Christianity because of this little group of people called the founding fathers who created the world's first secular government, free of religion, and with guarantees of freedom of religion for all. Guarantees that the Dominionists are seeking to erode.

This country has so many freedoms because of Christianity, not the ACLU.

It may surprise you to learn this, but the ACLU has frequently defended the civil rights of Christians in this country.

Not socialism - Lenin showed us how well that works.

Actually, Lenin showed us how Marxist communism works, he had nothing to do with socialism. And so far, England and Canada seem to be doing fine as socialists.

But to each his/her own.

Oh, clearly. As long as you're not Muslim. Or socialist. Or communist. Or the ACLU. Or...

As for your freedom of speech, etc. I'm sure my dad would gladly do it again for you.

Thanks, I'm sure MY dad and both of my grandfathers would do it again for you too. See, you're not the only person in the world related to a veteran.

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3 votes

#19.1 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:31 PM EDT

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David C. Kanz

Jarandhel:

You may confuse people with facts---but do it anyway!

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2 votes

#19.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 PM EDT

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Jarandhel

Thanks, I will. :)

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3 votes

#19.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:39 PM EDT

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Aalaf Alot

Dominionism is radical Christianity. It no difference than radical Islam called Wahhabism.

Just remember, most of us humans are pawns to king, queens, tyrants, political and religious leaders.
We are foot soldiers of some radical beliefs, perception, etc.

Only in a true Democracy where there is check and balance between three branches of government and check and balances between extreme Right and Extreme left make a good Democracy.

In the last 8 years, we are blinded by extreme right and almost control of all 3 branches of government to create the mess we are in now. They preach false sensation of paradise while slowly dismantle our form of government called Democracy. Sad to say, 9/11 gave them a catalyst to spring upon this slow destruction of Democracy, Bill of Rights and our freedoms.
Time to stop it before it get to point we can no longer turn back.

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4 votes

#19.4 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:35 PM EDT

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David C. Kanz

Aalaf Alot:

Your assessment is correct in every way. I should know. I was a fundamentalist baptist pastor for many years...it is a weight I still carry that I EVER participated in this nefarious and malevolent movement.

And just to stoke it up a bit:

Saleem!

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2 votes

#19.5 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:50 PM EDT

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Aalaf Alot

There is nothing wrong with Christianity, it just heading in the wrong direction. It is heading toward destructive path. Evangelical Christians are catalyst for Christianity heading in the wrong directions.

The same can be said for any other religion. I think Islam is coming close point of no return. Christians with the help Ultra Right Wing Christians like Evangelical and Dominionist is heading in the same direction as Islam a destructive path. I can not imagine the horror, the destruction, the death and tragedy when both Christianity and Islam will clash again as history repeats itself.

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1 vote

#20 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:39 PM EDT

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Allan Svensson

Hi.

I found your Web Site by Google

And I wish you the best you can get,

the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.

Allan Svensson, Sweden

Why does the revival tarry? It is because God’s

people tarry to obey the powerful command of

the Lord in Rev. 18:4. This is the most powerful

revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.

As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested

to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him,

and they must persuade him to leave Sodom. When

he yet lingered, one of the angels said to him:

"Flee for your life sake ..."

Just like as Lot, God’s people are not interested to

leave the great Babylon, but finally they must flee

for their life from there.

God’s people are destroyed for lack of knowledge

because their preachers have rejected knowledge.

Hosea 4:6-11. Instead to preaching the truth of the

Assembly of God, they have preached lies about the

Assembly of God. The Pentecostalists have abused

the expression "Assembly of God" and used it as a

name of their church.

Evil spirits in the churches

What does hinder the Antichrist to appear?

What is the Restrainer?

#Antichrist

Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end?

The coming revival, a nameless revival

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